"Did you know the local indigenous peoples have been here for over 10000 years? Amazing. They recently found a spear head with woolly mammoth blood on it!"
Captain Obvious
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Do you have any "one-liners" for drive-by witnessing?
by Faithful Witness ini am looking for things i can say in passing, when i meet some of my jw friends.
we used to attend meetings, but have not been officially recognized yet, as apostates.
we were good and curious students, but fell away and were choked out by weeds.. since i will be renewing my bible student status soon, i am hoping this will open more windows into the organization.
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Musings about different types of atheist!
by Seraphim23 ina thought that occurs to me is that if one has the belief that all that is real is only explicable in terms of particles and forces, and that nothing exists that is not one of these, then good and bad doesnt exist either, the same would be true for any concept for that matter.
or perhaps it is only true when reduced to the level of matter and forces, but without the moral force, meaning and purpose that such a materialist only description would entail.
after all, if death is forever, which is materialist view, then what does it matter if a seventy or seven year old enters the grave?
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Captain Obvious
One day I'll come up with an idea for a thread that has an OP with a pile of flawed arguments and assumptions. All I have to do is completely ignore the fact that my OP has been picked apart and tell the posters that they are ignoring my points.
6 pages in 20 hours... Nice work
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The Lawsuit Landslide: Irwin Zalkin representing ELEVEN child abuse victims against Watchtower
by cedars inmany of you will be interested to know that irwin zalkin now has 11 lawsuits against watchtower at various stages.. these can be summarized as follows.... j.l.
shocked by the lack of action, the victims mother immediately left the congregation with her son.
by this stage campos was a known predator with complaints having been made to the elders at linda vista spanish, playa pacifica spanish and the watchtower dating back to 1982.elizabeth mcfarland ohio a former ministerial servant named scott silvasy sexually molested elizabeth when she was a child through her early teens.
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Captain Obvious
Yes a lot of these cases will hinge on the Conti case... But also as long as the current non-reporting policy is in place, there will be more people coming forward and unfortunately, more children abuse who could have been protected. And for that reason I hope the WT bleeds millions and millions. At least the catholic leadership has shown remorse. The WT leadership updated their instructions to more clearly state that cases should not be reported unless it's local law. They say that child abuse is appalling, but potentially tarnishing the org's name is worse.
Disgusting. But think! Of how many GOOD (read:expensive) lawyers the WT is going to have to retain to fight these cases. What about when they are fighting dozens of cases? They will be crying for more funds for the "Worldwide Preaching Work" (Worldwide Pedophile Protection Fund).
The average Dub upon hearing about this will think its persecution. What we need to help our loved JWs understand is the Watchtower's guilt in all this.
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Discussion w/ Wife: I Welcome Your Suggestions
by breakfast of champions inso these last few wts have definitely eroded my wife's faith in the org.
she is definitely seeing the bs, and i even overheard her talking openly about it to a family member.
good for her!.
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Captain Obvious
There is no scriptural injunction on war. In fact throughout the bible god commands and favours it. The worst atrocities and war crimes in the bible were directly demanded by god.
Are the JWs doing the preaching work? What is the preaching work, and is it being done by anyone? There are other Christian groups who have more missionaries than JWs have members.
The JW message is about Armageddon and a new earth, which even a non believer like myself can see isn't mentioned in the bible at all. The JWs preach the JW message about the Noo Sistem which isn't gonna happen. Perhaps you could help her realize that the JW message as a whole is wrong even by Christian standards. Then it doesn't matter how much JWs preach, it is still meaningless.
Congrats on the mostly awakened wife! I'm very jealous my friend
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My daughter has been officially dfd, unfortunately...
by suavojr inunfortunately she still does not know ttatt... the good thing is that my wife (her mom) is not shunning her!.
i gave my daughter love & comfort and told her that nobody is ever going to divide us, i might not be happy with all of her choices and decisions but i just want her to be happy.
my family is still asleep and still thinks this is the truthtm and my wife wants her to come back.
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Captain Obvious
Does your wife know TTATT?
I can't imagine a worse kind of hell than truly believing that you have disappointed god, and he will kill you during the imminent destruction of earth if you don't rejoin a certain cult.
My mother is in the same position. DFed for the second time, full believer. Learning TTATT would benefit her and your daughter immeasurably. If only it was easier to share
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How do believers defend a god who is going to murder billions and pin it on them?
by tootired2care inat that time those slain by the lord will be everywherefrom one end of the earth to the other.
they will not be mourned or gathered up or buried, but will be like dung lying on the ground.
- jerimiah 25:33.
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Captain Obvious
If murder was clearly a sin, why did god have to put it in the Ten Commandments? Couldn't they as a society just decide that murder was wrong? In Cain's case, could he really have known the effects of what he did if he was the first murderer?
A good portion of Genesis is god gettin mad at humans for doing things they didn't know were wrong. Consider the pre-flood world (as if it actually existed..) god gave humankind zero instructions that we know of, zero guidance. Then, once they weren't up to his standards... Rather than teach or discipline them and make himself known, he just condemned them all. Even the animals. What did the animals do?
If your children acted out and were bad because you completely ignored them their whole lives, would you be justified in killing them all? Regardless of how wicked they might become... Not only is it your own fault, but it is quite another thing to consider wiping them all out along with their pets.
Jus' sayin.
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Do you detect an underlying sadness ?
by Phizzy inwhenever i talk to jw's, and even in some of the jw official videos, i detect a definite vibe of sadness coming off these people.. i am very sensitive to "atmospheres" and to peoples emotional state, you wouldn't think so, because more often than not i do not react to what i detect, i just let people get on with it.. but i do get this feeling that they are sad, probably because very, very, very deep down they realise that it is all false, maybe ?.
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Captain Obvious
The younger generation Dubs now go to college, buy houses, have kids, save for retirement and invest more than the previous one. Maybe they see the position their parents are in and realize that they are going to have to take care of them financially.
All that, plus they have to be told every week to "put kingdom interests first, the end is so close!" And it just gets sickening after a while.
The working/saving/investing Dubs are riddled with cog dis about the end being close, and the pioneering/window washing/putting kingdom interests first Dubs are secretly jealous and hateful of the previous group.
Add to that the guilt-o-meter is cranked to 11 during convention time 3 times a year! It's a tough life for a Dub. All they can do is Listen, Obey and be Blessed.
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Wisdom teeth
by Arkady ini am not a jw.
i am basically here for two reasons:.
1. i am not satisfied with mainstream christianity and i believe that jw (along with other sects) have some things to offer in terms of answering my questions.
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Captain Obvious
JWs don't have anything against dental work... But..
Have you ever wondered why we need dentists? If we were created perfect, then why did our teeth go bad? Can you imagine life before dentists? A simple cavity would have been a death sentence unless you got it pulled.. Then if it got infected, you were dead. In fact, for most of man's existence our teeth have been a big killer.
I guess I'll just chalk it up on my list of things I don't understand in creation. Along with, why are our backs and shoulders so poorly designed? We shouldn't need chiropractors. Why do we have an appendix? They're only useful in herbivores. 15% of humans are born without an appendix at all!
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Apostles were first governing body????
by NeverKnew inand paul was not a part of the governing body????
am i hearing this correctly or are these people making things up?.
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Captain Obvious
They use the example of the meeting of the "apostles and the older ones" in Jerusalem about the issue of circumcision. They take this as an example of a first century governing body. I think it was called a Synod? Correct me if you like. The issue was IN Jerusalem centrally, as it was the Jewish Christians who were snubbing the gentile Christians because they had more skin on their ding dongs. the matter was settled in Jerusalem not because there was a governing body there, but because there were more Jewish Christians there.
Paul made it clear that he didn't need any man or men telling him what to do. He wasn't invited to that meeting, though he did write about it.
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I need some assistance!
by Kool Jo ini just found out that a co-worker of mine is a ex-jw....she's being pressured to go back to the khall...she says everytime she goes to visit her family, they're telling her how jehovah still loves her...blah blah blah...thankfully she has her own apartment!.
i do see how her upbringing in the cult has affected her...she's soft and overly kind, but she's a real sweetheart...the down side: people take advantage of her.. should i tell her that i too am a jw and understands what she's going through with her family or should i just tell her that "spirituality is a personal thing and don't feel guilted into doing something you don't want" ect....the thing is, she talks alot and if i tell her that i'm suppose to be a jw, then the entire workplace will know.... what should i do?
my only aim is to have her not feel guilted in going back...she said her family has been trying to get her back in, but she's resisting it...the other issue, her son stays with her jw sister (she didn't disclose why)...and my co-worker tells me that her son is becoming a "jw convert".. please i need some advice!.
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Captain Obvious
I'd say you're in a golden position for some reverse witnessing my friend! She might still have a cult personality but if she's been out for a while, she might be into doing some 'independent research.' No need to out yourself. Say you have some JW relatives who pressured you to join (true) and so you did your homework and found them to be not what they said they were